H22
REPLACEMENT RUDDER TUBE
Q:
Who can make me a new stainless steel Hurley 22 Replacement Rudder
Tube?
A:
Ryan at The Metal Clinic Ltd. Unit 6 Eastlands Boat Yard, Coal Park
Lane, Swanwick, Southampton S031 7GW
Tel:
01489 582264 www.themetalclinic.co.uk
RUBBING
STRAKES AND WASHBOARDS
Q:
Who can make me some new washboards and replace my Hurley's rubbing
strakes?
A: David Rickard has just replaced
my (Nick's) rubbing strakes on my Hurley 24. Last year he made Omega
some new washboards. They fit and look perfect. The rubbing strakes
are superb and are in teak. Lifts the whole look of the boat. David
did the work quickly, without fuss and for a very reasonable sum.
I can warmly recommend him. Plus David has a Hurley himself!
HURLEY
22 WEIGHT
Q:
How much does a Hurley 22 weigh?
A: A Hurley 22 would be roughly two metric tonnes. That is
2,000kg or two tonnes. The advertised weight of a dry, just out of
factory, Hurley 22 was 1,769 kg (3,900lb). Howver, the working weight
with fuel and clobber would be more like 2,400kg (5,500lb) depending
on how many pies you eat? A metric tonne is 1,000kg. An Imperial ton
is 1,016 kg (2,240 lb). The Hurley 22 would therefore be 1.7 tons
imperial dry or 2.4 tons imperial under normal cruising conditions
The
imperial ton was something to do with the weight of a barrel of wine?
The
Thames Measurement (TM) of a Hurley 22 would be 4.3 tons That is a
formular derived from length of hull x distance from ballast to gunwhale
in inches x 1.2 This is not the weight of the boat! It was a figure
arrived at to
estimate the cargo capacity of a ship and therefore how much money
to charge to berth it. It is now called the Tonnage Measurement as
it is now metric. So now mean length x Beam x mean height of inside
of hull x 0.35.
INSURANCE
FOR OLDER HURLEYS
Q.
Can you kindly suggest a good insurance company that deals with older
H22s?
A.
Try Simon Winter Marine and mention Nick Vass's
name. Simon is a specialist on small older craft.
You could also try GJW Direct.
DISCLAIMER.
HOA take no responsibility for any dealings between a member and an
insurance company
WEATHER
HELM
Q:
How do I reduce the weatherhelm on my Hurley 22?
A: Hurley Marine altered the shape of the Hurley 22 rudder
in 1972, increasing its size by 1.3 square foot. The newer shape rudder
is shown on the Technical page. It is
the same as the Ravensail/Hurlwind/Blaxton mould. Increasing the size
of the rudder is not a total solution to the problem as a larger rudder
can in itself be a disadvantage.
A
small amount of weatherhelm is desirable, as it gives you a feel for
the helm but if weatherhelm is excessive you have to put the helm
hard over, effectively putting the brakes on as the rudder would sit
at a right angle and act as a flap. A ‘balanced boat’ is
referred to when the forces put on the hull by both sails when it
turns on its central line of lateral resistance are equal. That is
when both the genoa and mainsail are equally balancing the boat out
laterally.
My
Hurley 24 can often be described as well balanced. The high aspect
rig with narrow main and large genoa balance the boat well but give
a little weatherhelm which feels reassuring as the boat would round
up into the wind should I fall overboard. More weatherhelm is felt
during strong winds when the genoa is furled in and the mainsail takes
over as the main source of propulation. Although the masts are nearly
the same height, the Hurley 22 sail plan is very different. The mainsail
is comparatively larger. In fact the sail area of the 22 is more despite
the displacement being very different!
| H22
disp 1,769 kg Sail Area 24 sq m |
H24
disp 2,285kg Sail Area 20 sq m |
Therefore
I would conclude that reefing in and balancing the boat by effective
reefing and good quality sails is of paramount importance and a more
effective way of reducing weatherhelm on a Hurley 22 than the size
of the rudder alone.
Weatherhelm
on a Hurley 22 can be managed by reducing the size of the mainsail
or increasing the size of the genoa/jib. This adjustment in sail area
and relocation of the main driving force can be described as moving
the centre of effort. The
opposite to weatherhelm is leehelm.
Weatherhelm
is the tendency for a yacht to round up into the wind. If the helmsman
has to pull the tiller towards him or her to make the boat go in a
straight line then the boat is said to ‘carry weatherhelm’.
The hull of a Hurley 22 turns on a point called the Centre of Lateral
Resistance (CLR.). The CLR is the central area of the underwater profile
of the yacht. The wind force on a sail creates a point called the
Centre of Effort (CE). Both the main and the jib/genoa have their
own CE. Both CE points combine and create the boat's Centre of Effort.
If the boa's CE is aligned with the CLR then the boat will be balanced.
On
the Hurley 22 the CE is often aft of the CLR. The pressure of the
wind turns the stern away and the bow towards the wind creating excessive
weatherhelm. At this point the main should be reefed. The hull shape
of the Hurley 22 makes a big difference too. The Hurley 22 has overhangs
at the bow and stern so that the wetted area of the hull is kept low
when the vessel is upright but the waterline length is increased when
the boat is heeled over when sailing. The Hurley 22 is narrow compared
to modern yachts and carries its beam just forward of the CE. This
means that when the boat is heeled over the buoyant beamy part of
the boat kicks in and tries to float up, pushing the bows around to
windward thus creating forces exacerbating the weatherhelm. The Hurley
22 widens dramatically as you look at the profile above the waterline.
Modern boats carry their beam much further aft making the boats a
lot lighter on the helm.
The
maximum speed of a hull is around 1.4 times the square root of the
waterline length in feet (or x 3.28 in metres). Therefore the hull
speed is greater when the hull is heeled over and the faster the Hurley
will go but conversely the more rudder is needed, putting on the brakes
and slowing the boat down. It
was considered that a slim boat was a fast boat, as seen on Bloodhound
for example. Modern boats are very beamy and blisteringly fast but
need to be sailed upright as their waterline length does not increase
much when heeled as they have stubby bow stems and flat transoms.
So,
try trimming and reefing your sails before you buy a bigger rudder.
Nick
HULL/BOAT/YARD/ORDER
NUMBERS
Q:
Where is my Hull/Yard/Boat/Order Number displayed?
A: Your Order/Hull/Boat Number should be displayed on a small
metal plate in the cabin, screwed to the mast support transverse beam.
However, they are often missing, as after 40 years they simply fall
off and get lost. It might be stencilled onto the inside of locker
lids or other pieces of joinery such as the saloon sole boards or
on the underside of the forepeak infill. It will be a four-figure
number starting with 3. (Hurley 20 example). The number will be close
to but not the same as the 1,2 or 3 figure Sail Number. For example.
A Hurley 20 based in Sweden 'Stella Maris' has Sail Number 295 and
Order/Boat/Hull Number 3306.
Hurley
called the Hull Number the Boat Number but in other documents they
refer to it as the Order Number and even Yard Number. All amounts
to the same thing. The Hurley 20 prefix was 3. You don't need the
above info to join if it has been lost in the passage of time.
Prefix Numbers
are as follows:
| Silhouette |
1 |
| Alacrity |
5 |
| Felicity |
No
prefix. Same as Sail Number prefixed by F |
| Hurley
18 |
7 |
| Hurley
20 |
3 |
| Hurley
22 |
8 |
| Hurley
24/70 |
6 |
| Hurley
27 |
5
(I don't know why it is the same as the Alacrity) |
| Hurley
30/90 |
9 |
 |
 |
 |
|
|
Hurley
22 Hull Number Plate
|
Hurley
22 Hull Number Stamp
|
Hurley
22 Hull Number Stamp
|
|
Nick
SPLITTING
RUDDERS
Q:
The rudder has split apart on my Hurley 20. Is it because the tangs
rudder post and tangs have become corroded causing them to expend
and crack the rudder shells apart?
A: I had to rebuild the rudder on my Hurley 20 due to corrosion on
the stainless post where it exits the boat. I used a grinder with
a thin cutting disk to cut around the periphery of the rudder, then
split the two halves, removed the old rudder post and tangs. Glued
the two halves back together with epoxy resin and filled the perimeter
of the blade with thickened epoxy. One other thing I did was use a
dremel tool to router a cove where the stainless rudder post enters
the top of the rudder blade and exits the bottom of the rudder blade.
I filled this cove with 3M5200. The reason for this mod is that the
flexible 5200 is less likely to let water into the rudder than the
brittle epoxy.
The rudder was then filled with expanding polyurethane foam and the
sinker and riser holes for the foam filled with epoxy filler. Darren
(See also the Rudder Page in the
Technical Section)
A:
I recently had the same problem with my early H22 "Dreamer".
It is caused by water ingress to the rudder blade moulding causing
the tangs to rust and expand. I have replaced the post and tangs with
a stainless fabrication which was made using the old as a pattern.
My bearings were a little worn but rather than replace the bearings
which looked as though it might have been awkward the post was made
1/8th inch oversize which fortuitously fitted perfectly. The blade
necessitated moulds being made from the old blade which were bonded
to the fabrication and filled with foam. I was lucky enough to come
across a part-made replacement from an ex Hurley owner and the only
difficulty was that the top of the post being oversize did not fit
the stock so had to be turned down. It is also necessary to be accurate
in the alignment of the holes for the top bolts or you will find that
the tiller will be slightly offset when in a straight line. Hope this
helps - Ian C
A: The original Hurley 20, 22 and 24/70 rudder moulds are stored
for us at Blaxton Boats. www.blaxtonboats.co.uk
Maurice recently made a new rudder for a Hurley 24. Both spade and
scimitar rudders are kept for the H22.
I did the same as Darren and Ian to my Hurley 20 in 1986. The tangs
had corroded causing them to expand and crack the rudder shells apart.
The shells were split, foam ground out, rudder post and tangs replaced
and whole lot glued back together with epoxy. Nick
RUBBING
STRAKES
Q:
What is the rubbing strake on my Hurley 22 made from?
A: Your original rubbing strake and raised gunwale capping
would have most likely been made from iroko - screwed into place at
6" intervals with No8 1" stainless steel screws. Hurley
Marine tended to use iroko rather than teak but did swap materials
around. Please see H22 brochure on brochures page. I have replaced
mine with teak which is easier to bend and more weather resistant
but more expensive. Hurley would have used iroko as it is cheaper
but does much the same job. Both woods are from the same family and
are treated with teak oil or ‘Deks Olje’. Iroko is better
for the environment as it is farmed. Proper teak trees have to be
about 80 years old before they are any good and are a rainforest wood.
(I used recycled ex science lab worktops). Please see pictures on
the Technical Page
BALL-HED
TOILETS IN ALACRITYS
Q:
I have a Ball-Hed sea toilet fitted to my Hurley built Alacrity.
Where can I get spares?
A: Under no circumstances should you go to sea with an
American 'Ball-Hed' sea toilet in your boat! Most have thankfully
been removed by now but some still remain. The Ball-Hed sea toilet
used one large hole for both flushing water in and waste exit.
This hole was much larger than other heads with separate inlet
and outlet. The 'Ball-Hed' was flushed by sealing down a rubber
diaphragm and pumping it up and down with a knob fitted to its
centre to draw water in and push waste out. As far as I know no
one supplies spares. You will need to glass over the huge hole
in your boat with resin and matting and create two new holes for
proper skin fittings and seacocks when you fit a safer loo like
a Jabsco compact.
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HURLEY
22 TOILETS
Q:
What toilet would have been fitted new to my Hurley 22?
A: The Hurley 22 would have been fitted with a 'Compact' sea
toilet made in the USA by Raritan Engineering Co, Millville, NJ. The
model was called the 'Compact'. Or it would have been fitted with
a Simpson Lawrence SL400 which was made in Glasgow. The SL400 was
a very low loo. Both are available from Lee Sanitaion but are expensive.
A modern Jabsco Compact sea toilet will fit but you will have to do
without the seat and lid so that it will fit under the forepeak infil/toilet
cover. You will need to replace the plastic handle with a flatter
knob because of the height restrictions and file a bit off the right
hand side of the pump unit to make it fit.
The SL400 was fitted to the H24/70, H27 and 30/90 but a Jabsco will
easily fit into the heads compartment.
BALLAST
RATIOS AND BALLAST
Q:
What is the ballast ratio of my Hurley and what is the ballast made
from? Also why does it heel over so much?
A:
The displacement of the Hurley 18 was 1,100 kg. The ballast was 450kg
giving a ballast ratio of just under 41%. Most fin or long keel Hurleys
have a similar ballast ratio. However
the boats aren’t that beamy and so have a slightly low buoyancy
ratio compared to modern flat-bottomed beamy yachts. The Hurley 18s
that I have sailed performed very well but they are only 18' and have
a waterline length not much longer than a big dinghy. The Hurley 22
is stiffer; the 27 stiffer still and of course the 30 are stiffer
still.
The
Ian Anderson yachts were inspired by the Folkboat but had slightly
shorter keels to give better turning performance. Other Folk boat
derived designs also heel a bit alarmingly as they lack buoyancy.
No harm in that though. Other examples include the Contessa 26, Achilles,
Twister, Varne 27 and Cutlass 27 etc.
The
Hurley 18 had several builders after the demise of Hurley Marine.
Including Arthur Curnow Ltd and so knowing the exact material used
for the ballast will be problematic. It is most likely that lead shot
was used. Although I have known of a Hurley 22 with iron shot, which
expanded cracking open the keel part of the hull. Steel
strips were used on early Hurley 22s to help spread the loads of the
ballast material over the keel part of the hull. I have seen several
Hurley 22s and a Hurley 24/70 where cracks have appeared around these
2" wide strips. This has happened where moisture has entered
the keel area over the years and rusted the strips. Air will be present
around the shot balls. The strips then expand outwards into the GRP
as they rust as the compacted shot allows less movement.
Hurley
would have used lead shot as choice as it does not rust and is heavy
but the shot would sometimes be contaminated by scrap metal and even
old nuts, bolts and screws. Cast lead ballast would have been a better
and heavier option as air voids would not be possible between the
shot balls and the cast lead would not settle and create air pocket
voids. It is possible that the voids that you have seen are due to
settling or compacting of the shot. It might also be because the shot
has stuck together in places and formed air pockets in others. You
do however, still get air voids in cast lead ballast keels. For example
I have surveyed several Contessa 26S and 32s with voids
in the keel. They have cast lead ballast blocks dropped into the GRP
moulded keel. Inevitably spaces will occur as the keel block would
be difficult to make in an exact fit shape.
Hurley
liked to use shot as it was cheaper and they did not have to use a
foundry to cast the keel. Most components of the boats were made in
house and George Hurley liked to be self-sufficient. Lead shot could
be bought in as a commodity. I would imagine that they might have
used other filler metals as the cost of lead went up? The ballast
material would then have been flow coated over with resin and matting
to make it watertight. But moisture can get in
around the steel straps that some early Hurley's have to help position
the ballast. Nick
HURLEY
22 OUTBOARDS
Q:
What kind of outboard should I buy for my Hurley 22?
A(By Tim): You need a long-shaft, sail-drive outboard. Sail-drive
means a high-thrust prop, plus optional battery charging.
I
have had 4 seasons with a Mariner 4HP Sailmate, 2-stroke. This is
the minimum HP, although it was generally adequate. Integral tank
gave about 1 - 1.5 hours endurance, meaning that I often had to re-fuel
at sea, when doing protracted passages without wind. This is not ideal.
Great advantage of this engine is it weighs about 22kg - meaning that
it can be removed from the well fairly easily - when at your berth,
to flush and keep in the dry - when at sea, if you get rope/nets etc
round your prop.
I have just bought a Tohatsu 6HP, 4-stroke, Sail Drive. This has an
external 12l tank and I am hoping to get great endurance. Also it
is very quiet. Like the Mariner, it weights only about 23k - in fact
it is basically the same engine - but with different carbuation etc.
A number of members recomended this engine.
If you go for 8HP or over, the engines start to weigh-in at 30kg+.
This I think would make frequent removal from the well rather difficult.
BOAT
MAINTENANCE BOOKS
Q:
Can you recommend a good book about boat maintenance?
A:
‘Sailboat
Maintenance’ By Don Casey
‘Hull
and Deck Repair’ by Don Casey (USA). ISBN 0 7136 4867 8
‘Simple
Boat Maintenance’ Pat Manley (UK) ISBN 1 904475 02 7 available
from Fernhurst Books
Visit the Wiley Nautical website.
The
‘Simple Boat Maintenance’ book is a must! Very well presented.
SAIL
DIMENSIONS
Q:
Can you tell me the dimensions of the sails for my Hurley as I want
to buy some new ones?
A:
It is always best to use your old sails as a template or get the sail
maker to measure the luff, leach and foot of your boom, mast and forestay.
Genoa measurements given by Hurley will be of no use as you might
now have furling gear. Does your furling gear have a top swivel?
Are
you sure that your mast and rig is original or has not been cut down
a little to remove corrosion?
Mast
sizes varied on Hurley yachts. Masts were built in-house and dimensions
changed frequently as the boats evolved. Few boats are exactly the
same so beware of copying other peoples sails as this could turn out
to be a costly mistake. Lots of people have been there and got the
tee-shirt.
There
is no such thing as a stock size-off the shelf Hurley sail.
Q:
I need a second hand set of sails for my Hurley
A:
It is unlikely that anyone will want to sell a set of serviceable
second hand sails. Hurley yachts are mostly cheaper/smaller yachts
that owners often run on a tight budget. They will make sails last
and like me use the old set of sails for winter sailing. Second hand
sails will probably be shot or from a boat that has been broken up.
Put
an ad for sails wanted on our For Sale page, ask on the Yahoo Group
or try Ebay.
HURLEY
OWNERS YAHOO FORUM GROUP
Q:
What is the address of the Hurley Owners Yahoo Forum group?
A:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hurleyowners/
REPLACING
BACKING PADS AND MAST SUPPORT PADS ON A HURLEY
22
Q:
The backing pads and mast support pad on my Hurley 22 are rotten.
How do I replace them?
A:
The plywood plates are backing plates. They do not need to be
very well attached by resin and matting as they are held in place
by the objects that they are backing. I.e by the bolts and screws
that fasten down deck fittings such as winches and stanchion bases
etc. The mast compression pad under the deck plate is held in compression
and again will not need to be well glassed in.
It
would be a good idea to replace the plywood mast compression pad,
deck plate bolts and sealant between deck plate and coachroof mast
support pad as the seal often breaks down allowing the pad to become
sodden. Water will also leak into the accommodation through the deck
plate holes. It would also be a good idea to replace the deck gear
backing pads as a precaution.
You
will need to remove the old pads with an angle grinder and then glass
in new marine plywood pads using resin and matting. Hold the new pads
in place with wooden posts jammed between the saloon sole and the
pad until the resin has set.
REPLACING
CHAIN PLATES ON A HURLEY 22
Q:
How do I replace the chainplates on my Hurley 22? They are loose and
are leaking.
A:
The most secure way is to remove the old chainplate, screws and
backing pad and remove all traces of the GRP matting and resin that
secures them to the inside of the hull and deck.
Glue
new backing pad/pacers to the inside of the hull with glass fibre
matting and resin. Screw or bolt the cleaned up chainplates to the
plywood pads and seal the deck area with sikoflex from the underside.
Using screws will be secure enough but using round head bolts or machine
screws through the hull will be even stronger but will look a bit
ugly.
You
can buy covers that go over the chainplates on the deck that hide
any Sikoflex and help reduce leakage. I can’t stand the sight
of thick sealant. Sikoflex is promoted as a glue but is really only
a sealant and should not be relied upon for strength and attaching
fittings together. Sikoflex is rubber. You should not use any products
with silica or silicone on a boat as the acetic acid used to cure
it damages stainless steel.
Some
members have fabricated stainless steel gussets that spread the load
of the chainplates between the deck and hull. These web like, L-shaped
gussets look triangular from the side view and fit inside the yacht
from under the deck and run down the hull for about 150mm. They are
usually bolted to the hull by two stainless steel machine screws with
dome heads or counter sunk slotted heads. IF CS is used you can cover
the heads in white gelcoat to hide. They are then bolted to the deck
using a ‘D’, ‘A’ or ‘U’ bolt which also
acts as the tang on which to attach the shroud bottle screw (turnbuckle)
toggle fork.
Many
Hurley owners have by now had to replace chainplates.
SUPPLY
OF SAILS, SAIL COVERS, DODGERS, SPRAYHOODS, UPHOLSTERY
FOR HURLEYS
Q:
Who can you recommend to supply a sail cover, dodgers, sprayhood,
upholstery and sails for my Hurley?
A:
Quay Canvas of Southampton are excellent and
cheap. They give discounts for Hurleys. Ask for Rene and mention that
you have a Hurley and that Nick sent you for a discount They can be
recommended for small sails, covers, sprayhoods, sail covers, dodgers
and upholstery.
A:
Darren says: If anyone is looking for a competitive source for sails,
I ordered mine from Lee Sails of Hong Kong
last year and was very happy with the result. $660 Canadian for a
loose footed, partial battened H20 Mainsail with two reef points,
4.93oz challenge high modulus dacron.
YACHT
DELIVERY
Q:
Who can deliver my Hurley by road?
A:
Try Chris Collins/ Southampton Boat Towing
- owner driver.
He
has transported my Hurley by road and did an excellent job.
HURLEY
ROLLER REEFING MAINSAIL
Q:
Should I replace the roller reefing on my Hurley with a slab reefing
sytem?
A:Roller
reefing can be a good method of reefing a mainsail but not as fast
and simple as slab reefing.
Have
you got a reefing claw for the kicking strap? If
not you can buy one new at Retreat Boatyard, Topsham, Devon. If
you don't have a claw it might have been lost or broken.
How
do you attach the kicking strap to the boom at present?Your
boom might have been fitted with a riveted on U fitting? This will
dig into and damage the mainsail as the sail is wound onto the boom.You
need to remove it and use the cumbersome claw with inhaul and outhaul
ropes.
Slab
reefing is more efficient and faster but you will need to have cringle
eyes fitted to the sail. What condition is the mainsail in? If it
is worn a sailmaker might refuse to fit it with cringle eyes and reefing
ropes as it might be a waste of money. A new sail will come with reefing
cringles as standard. You might need to service your roller reefing
mechanism. They often seize up. You might need a new roller-reefing
handle? Retreat sell those too. The
single line slab reefing lines are led to the cockpit on my 22. You
are welcome to look at the system and measure up.
I
would look in the HOA directory and find a member near to you. Then
contact them and ask to have a look at their system. Or better still
go out for a sail with them? Then go on a rally and compare sails?
Nick Vass
SAIL
LOGOS
Q.
I'm buying a new mainsail for my Hurley 22, How do I find a copy of
the sail logo that my sailmaker can use?
A.
The images (JPEGs) below have been traced from a Hurley 22
mainsail. They are meant to be printed out at A4 size and then stuck
together. Printing out directly from the screen does not seem to work
properly. Click on the link below and when the image opens, right
click on it and then select Save Picture as.... to save the
picture on your computer and then print it out in the normal way
Click
here for an electronic copy of a Hurley
20 sail logo
